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Ronn Lucas, Sr.
RANGLEY SPINNER (with fly)
Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:31 PM
Does any one have photos or original flies from a Rangley Spinner. A gentlemen asked me to tie some flies for his collection of old Rangeley Spinners.
I am trying tie them as close as I can to the original. Also what size hooks and type would help too.
Here's a couple of pics...
Thanks for the help!
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:28 AM
Also, is your inbox full? I need to talk to you. CJ
Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:51 AM
Try the pm now..I cleaned it up!
Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:55 AM
Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:10 AM
Also - all the flies tied for spinners I've seen are tied on ring (straight) eye hooks. a turned eye won't run properly. The Mustad 3366 is perfect and typical of that style.
Good point Alec.
What do you think of running the gut through the eye of a down eye hook and lashing it to the shank? That's providing Dave wants to use eyed hooks.
Dave, I have a couple hundred 3366's in #4, and a few in 1/0, you can have whatever you want, let me know. CJ
Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:12 AM
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:23 AM
And here's another twist...in Leonard's book " Flies" under fancy lake flies the Parmachene Belle calls for red strip over, and no white hackle,but yellow hackle palmered over the body and also a yellow floss body..not wool!........ Also now I'm wondering if the wing is a white breast feather with a red strip over..like the one in Alec's Picture?
Now I'm totaly Confused!!
Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:54 AM
Wonderful input ...and 'going for' (goal !!!)
Very intresseting subject and 'spinner flies' !
Looking forward to YOUR results DAVE !!!
Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:52 PM
Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:32 PM
many spinners from back then incorporated any of the popular patterns of the time...and the idea (i think) was the ability to interchange flies. some of the mills catalogs had a series of flies sold as Indian Rocks. mostly lake flies etc. that were attached to teh looped ends (various configurations) of the wire on the spinner.
as for the dressings....wool and silk were used frequently as substitutes for each other. as with silver or gold tinsel. wing types changed by fly tying companys for trout or bass etc. ...these were commercial flies tied for spinners, so they weren't tyed as critically as the regular flies so many were rough and heavy they probably fell from popularity because bucktail tyed on the hook was just as effective, faster and easier to produce, and much stronger.
married wings would take too long so folded sections of wing quill flanked with splints was used extensively. even Ray Bergman tied some flies in this fashion.
i've seen images and original flies using a single long looped section of gut as well as a long looped, tear drop fashioned, length of twisted gut . what i haven't seen is the example in the photo submitted by dave which looks like a snelled strand of gut or wire. the connection could very well be hidden in the image, behind the spinner blade. the size of the blades was also variable some very small to be used for casting and the larger ones for trolling. imagine trying to cast these things with silk lines and heavy bamboo rods etc. not my idea of enjoyable!
i wonder how big that in-line spinner and fly was...if it was huge then it may be for pike.
very interesting find.
Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:55 PM
But I Still up in the air on how I'm going to tie it...I'm leaning toward the lake fly one in "MOM Favorite Flies".
The only thing that's got me stumped, is the pic I showed all of you, has the red strip on the side.... it appears.
And the one in MOMs book shows red on top of white married..(lake fly version)
Can any body say for sure which is the original (oldest) version of the Parmachene Belle..,MOM?.....Lake fly or Trout fly?
I'm not tryin to split hairs..just tryin to do them right!
Thanks for all the Help!!
Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:13 PM
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:43 PM
I think reversed means tying the wing to point in front of the hook, then pulled over and tyed down over the body. CJ
Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:17 AM
Dave - if you use a whole white goose for the wing then tie in red splits along the side... and whole feathre wings were not tied in reverse though the stems were pulled back and lashed down after the wing was set... I have seen Parmanchee Belles with married red and white feather strips, a white larger slip and a red split along side and a whole white goose cussette with red splits along the sides... as Teddy said tyers discretion and no right or wrong... But if you want to see an original Marbury then see below (a white larger slip and a red split along side)... However I should note that there were 2 Parmanchee Belles in this plate - and the other had reverse tied white and red slips with red on top and I don't have a pic at the moment... not to make your decision process harder .... Importantly substituting and changing the pattern slightly was done quite often in the Orvis shop...
Just tie it and have fun ...
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:44 AM
Great photo!...how old is that fly?...1800s?...Also Lee does that fly have any yellow body hackle...I can' tell from the photo.
Thanks again everyone for the Help!!
Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:01 AM