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#21 Dave Carne

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:05 AM

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Bittern shoulder used in a number of Francis patterns as is the other which is Black Grouse/Capercaillie tail which is also in many Tolfrey flies.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:30 AM

Yellow Tailed Black Cockatoo - only really featured on Kelson's 'Cockatoo' Dee fly.

Scarlet Ibis - the red tail of the African Grey parrot which is MUCH easier to get on ebay etc is indistinguishable when on the fly.

Florican Bustard - also know as English Bustard in Francis Francis.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:48 AM

Amazon Parrot - whever 'parrot' is called for it is always this feather unless specified - again easy to pick up off ebay - Parrot as with Ibis/Red Parrot is actually only about 40mm max in fibre length so must be used in shoulders only or substituted.

Various Arabian (and australian) Bustard - this is usually used where 'light' bustard is specified - however there are also lighter feathers on ther shoulder of the Kori (Speckled) bustard.

Black Francolin (Chinese spotted partridge) - ther rump feathers are a superb, MUCH MUCH better to use replacement for teal hackles - again shortish in fibre, but much more striking in appearance. A lot of potentially interesting feathers for 'creative' tying - also dirt cheap (15 per skin).


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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:16 PM

red Rumped Cacicus

a great Indian crow sub. the bird is all black except the red rump patch, easy to come by and very inexpensive. overall lenght of bird is 10 inches

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:21 PM

Rifle Bird

a beautiful material but hard to come by and quite expensive. the throat feathers are called for in quite a few older classic patterns especially wet flies. the overall lenght of the specimen is around 10 inches

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:27 PM

golden pheasant tippet

these feathers are come from the helmet of the golden pheasant and called for in many classic salmon fly patterns. some full feather wings and many underwings. also used in strands as tail and body veilings. prices range from 10.00 to 18.00 for a quality cape. the feathers can be easily manipulated for applications. a must have for salmon fly tiers.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:32 PM

Red Weaver Bird

one of the better known subs for indian crow. the feathers are easy to manipulate into cheeks, veilings and chatterer style bodies. easy to come by and not expensive at all. i would recommend anyone aquiring this material for use. the overall lenght is around 4 inches

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:37 PM

Turquiose Tanager

this tanager has some of the most beautiful cotinga or chatterer subs. two types or colors of blue that mimic cotinga cotinga and cotinga cayana. a delightful little bird with many usable feathers. avalibility unknown and price unknown. if you run across one i would recommend to get it. overall lenght is 4 to five inches. mclain had some avalible but i don't know if he still has. a call would let you know if there are some avalible.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:43 PM

paradise tanager

a beautiful little bird with many usable materials. it can be used as cheeks or veilings and the feathers are easily manipulated. the overall lenght is 4 inches and there are many usable feathers to this bird. most of the IC and chatterer subs i've posted can be aquired thru John mclain. call for avalibility. i've also seen some of these materials for sale thru ebay so a keen eye and a bit of searching can turnupsome great materials.


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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:51 PM

Long Tailed MOTMOT

this bird has the closest feathers to cotinga i've found to date. the crest feathers are used as a chatterer sub and a good specimen can bring 100 of more feathers. prices range from 40 to 75.00 depending on quality. the overall lenght of the bird including tail is around 14 inches. a good specimen has feathers matching cotinga cotinga and cotinga cayana. colorwise they are almost indistinguishable from cotinga. the feathers are easily manipulated for application. i would recommend you getting one is you run across a specimen. they are frequently avalible thru john and overseas markets.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 11:11 PM

i wanted you guys to see first hand the comparison to real indian crow and a couple of the subs i've mentioned in this thread. from the top is red rumped cacicus, red weaver and scatatus scatatus or real indian crow. also posted is the cloths pin tool easily made to mimic the crimp in the tips of IC feathers. some use neoprene as the soft material but i used the foam ear plugs you can easily get anywheres and it works great. when manipulating a sub i stroke the feather between saliva soaked finger tips to bring all the fibers together. i then place it in the crimpping tool just catching the very tips of the feather. i'll leave it in here for 10 minutes or so and when removed it will have the crimped look to it. you stroke the feather between finger tips and it falls back into original shape but with a realistic look to it. another trick i use is once i stroke the fibers into place before applying it to the tool and while the feathers still wet from saliva. i hit the tips with a bright red permanet marker then slap it into the crimper. if you make yourself a crimper. remember to use a sharp knife and trim the wooden side of the crimper creating a more pointed tip so it sinks well into the foam.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 03:42 AM

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I'll trade one of these, a Scarlet Chested Sunbird, for that crow crimper. I know you haven't got one of these... crying.gif crying.gif crying.gif
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Posted 27 March 2007 - 05:39 AM

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How about one of these. I see you have a plane old Paradise Tanager. This is a Red Rumped Paradise Tanager. Very Rare!
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this bird is now in my collection, thanks john

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 09:57 PM

Golden bowerbird and scutatus granadensis (not my birds unsure.gif )

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 01:23 PM

Hey guys, here's a neat bird bird.... Banded Gymnogene (Polyboroides typus typus). I'll see what other photos I can dig up.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 02:58 PM

Andean Cock of the Rock (Ripicola Peruviana)



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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:07 PM

cotinga amabilis

one of the rarer species of cotinga or chatterer. highly expensive and hard to come by. used as veilings and cheeks. difficult to manipulate in applications. not the eaiest of feathers to work with.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:26 PM

cotinga maynana

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:27 PM

Pompador Cotinga

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:30 PM

emerald starling

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