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mentor tutorial,, underbody and tag
#21
Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:17 PM
agree with carne, in effect, this technique of underbodies can be done in which ever way pleases you or is accomadating to the style of fly your trying to tie, it's the tyers choice to shape the underbody as he chooses. when i first began tying these underbodies, i used the style more appropraite to classics, smaller ahead of the tag, building up thru the midbody then hardly any thread at the head, this shape i've pictured here evoloved when i became more interested in tying artistic flies, it matches the artistic fly well but now i do tie classics with this same underbody, thread control is the key to not building up bulk at the material tie in points, i always use the 5 and three method or close to it, attach materials using 5 wraps and remove three before continuing with other materials or simple to advance the thread. if you look closer at my finished flies you'll never see a bump or difference in body section sizes behind or ahead of a butt. everything has a clean tapered look. hence, thread control so as not to build up bulk where it's not needed
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#22
Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:19 PM
Just a quickie. I'm no expert but I do use Bud's method for building underbodies. If you use flat nose pliers directly on the underbody (to compress tinsel after tie-in etc.) then pays to make sure that there are no sharp edges on the jaws. It's really easy to squeeze hard and cut thread, potentially have to start over or at least have to wrap more to hide frayed edges.
you nailed it, be very careful with the kind of pliers you use, i use the small black needle nose pliers mclain sells right out the package. infact i have three and they have all been excellent when using them to compress materials and not cut thru thread fibers
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#23
Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:14 PM
gotz
#24
Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:56 PM
#25
Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:21 PM
do you tie it in with rib under butt area then apply butt as in Hales book, or as above postertie in and flatten with pliers , or another way
Better watch we will have you doing a full sbs
John
#26
Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:27 PM
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#27
Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:00 PM
#28
Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:14 PM
#29
Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:49 AM
taper (shown brilliantly by Bud) until after tag and/or butt. I don't find it necessary on smaller flies.
#30
Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:58 AM
Im excited to try this technique.
#31
Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:47 AM
#32
Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:20 AM
a piece of gut is cut to lenght then i form a loop with a whipfinish tool and plier. i then put this up against the taper of the hook and cut it to lenght. i untwist the two strand gut and cut each individual strand a different lenght so it can form itself to the taper of the hook, i then twist it back, lay it under the hook and tie it in. before i tie it on i smash the tips with my teeth, i know (ukkk) but i found it's the best way to do it. i use the same application weather i'm doing a 2 or 3 stand twisted gut
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#33
Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:27 AM
most tinsels are composed of a core. i've found some with one two or three stands of thread, whichever the case i remove all but one. this is tied in ahead of the butt . i leave enough lenght to reach the next butt on the fly if doing a multiple section fly. the tinsel is then simply tied on and the thread is advanced using edge to edge wraps to the next butt section where the silk will be tied on and wrapped. this technique leaves no evidence that anything is tied in on the back side of the fly. you see no bumps or lumps
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#34
Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:05 PM
John
#35
Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:43 PM
Tom
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#36
Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:40 PM
Thanks again as this will serve as great guidance,
Judd