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#1 Ed M

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:04 AM

Hoping someone has some leads for me.  I'm an avid tyer, and as someone who started fly fishing and tying in the 1970's, I have a warm spot in my heart for the look of a Catskill style dry fly tied on a hook with an upward slanting eye.  I've tried Gaelic Supreme, and found them to be somewhat brittle, and I've tried TMC 206BL's (not really a dry fly hook, although the body size you get with this hook means that a listed size 12 is similar to that of a 14 on a more traditional hook).  Ideally, I'd want something like my standard dry fly hook, a Dai Riki #300, only with an up eye...  Can anyone assist?

 

Thanks!



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:43 AM

Dear ED,

 

Far from beiing 'the specialist' in hooks...

 

The KAMASAN B440 is a 'traditional' UP EYE 'dry fly hook' that I have often ...not to say very often have used to tie 'lots' of dries flies on...anyway a hook who is NOT brittle ...but secure in strenght (ah even used them to make a lot of flymph's toooooooo a la  'Leisenring')...

 

also 'DRENNAN' has a 'turned' UP EYE 'dry fly hook' ...still a bit 'heavier' in wire methink than the KAMASAN B440

 

I will hold it to these two ...as it where /are with this two I tied the most when using 'upe eye' dry fly hooks...

 

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:08 AM

This guy, Ron Jefferies bought up all the original stock from Partridge & may be able to help.  www.troutandsalmonhooks.com

 

Or for Mustad, try www.kenhook.se/

 

I see Geert beat me to it by a few seconds, but Drennan hooks are no longer made, like the above however Paul Davies has/had some stocks c/o

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

Guys - thanks very much for your thoughts!  I'm on the hunt!



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 03:58 PM

Ed

 

look for mustad 94842    a dated hook, NOT VINTAGE AND NOT ANTIQUE!!!!   you can find them for about $5 per box of 100



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:46 PM

Guys - thanks very much for your thoughts!  I'm on the hunt!

I'm headed to The Classic Fly Fisherman...my favorite local fly shop later this week if things go as planned. I'll check for the type of hook you're looking for and let you know if I find anything. Bob almost always has a large selection of hooks he get from estates and other various sources.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:07 PM

George, Thanks! if they happen to have any Mustad 94842s in 12, 14, & 16, that would be awesome - I've already ordered the Kamasan B440's to give them a try

 

Best,  Ed



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

Ed,

 

Apparently up eye hooks are becoming more and more scarce, so this is all I was able to find at Bob's.

 

The Kamasan hooks are...box of 25 size 12 - $2.00; box of 21 size 14 - $2.00 and box of 25 size 16 - $2.00

The Orvis hooks are VERY FINE wire size 16. There isn't the full 100 hooks, but pretty darn close - $5.00

 

The only Mustad 94842's he had were small...size 22 and smaller

 

Total $11.00 plus the shipping...USPS Priority Mail small flat rate box $7.40 = $18.40. If you prefer I can ship a lass expensive postal level. I am assuming you are here in the US. If not the shipping charges would probably make these cost prohibitive...in my opinion. Your call......

 

No money to Bob yet...joy of dealing with a friend. If you want them great...if not I'll return them no problem.

 

Oh yeah...Do you have PayPal?

 

Cheers,

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:47 PM

George -

 

I'm in the US, and I do have a paypal account - I'll take all the Kamasans you were able to get - in terms of the Orvis, I'll rely on you - are they so fine that good firm wraps will result in bent shafts or where a 16 ' brown will pull them strait?  If so, then I don't want them - if you think they're workable, then I will.

 

I really don't tie below a 16 - I don't know whether I'm ham-handed or its my 55 year old eyes, but I'm never really pleased with the results when I do - proportions always seem to be off even though I'm aware of this going in

 

 

Thanks very much for your efforts here!  Please let me know what you need from me on paypal - my personal email?  it's [email protected]

 

Best, Ed



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:39 PM

there is another ...Garlic Supreme...they sell "sprite" hooks from england...check out his site a few up eyes...a little more expensive



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 03:11 PM

Ted -

 

Thanks!  I have tried them - they are expensive ($10.50 for 25) and I believe it's because they claim to be hand made.  I don't want to go throwing shade at Gaelic Supreme, but I found them to be very brittle, and stopped buying them as a result - maybe I got a bad batch, but...  The Dette fly shop up in Roscoe, NY carries them, and its where I found them and became a fan of up eyes for dries in the first place

 

I found a guy on ebay with a stock of old Mustad 94842s, and bought a bunch from him, and I've also ordered some Kamasans through another member of this site.  I should be in good shape for the '17 season at any rate

 

Best, Ed



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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:54 AM

I buy hooks from this shop which is in California and markets a line branded with their own name. I do like tying on this particular series of hook. <> DISCLAIMER! My flies are tied as art and I do not fish them so I cannot vouch for their fishworthyness. alf in Iowa

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 02:57 AM

Well that's crazy, the url I included in my post above got stripped out!!! The shop I was posting about is called THE FLY SHOP and is in Redding California. You can find them online and the hook series I was writing about is their TFS 8774 hooks. http://catalog.theflyshop.com/the-fly-shops-tfs-8774-hooks/ alf in Iowa

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:57 AM

The owner of Sprite/Gaelic Supreme (Vince Green) died sevaral years ago & all of his tooling was bought by the owner of the Gaelic license over in the U.S.  He was unable to find anyone capable of using the gear to the extent & quality that Vince Green was, so he then sold it onto Partridge, who shipped it all out to the far east, where they are "trying" to re-use it, but with (all reports so far) being negative, to say the least ! So I would avoid the current versions for a (good) while.

 

There is no real shortage of Kamasan's here in the U.K. even if it is one of the slowest selling patterns in there range, there's still loads around.



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Posted 25 March 2017 - 01:51 PM

Alf & Arkle

 

Thanks - know the Fly Shop well - I'll check them out.  In terms of Kamasans, yup...  Only issue seems to be that its not really a hook that's commonplace in the US - I've bought some and am gonna give them a try

 

Many thanks for all of the great leads and insights above

 

Ed



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 09:10 AM

Ed, Kamasan also list a no.420 which is an u.e curved shank hook, which I've found useful on more than one style of pattern.  https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kamasan+b420+sedge&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiur7So6fPSAhVmDMAKHYTZCD4Q_AUICSgC&biw=1400&bih=784